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by Laura Mustard in General Questions about May 1, 2016 open - report

How does everyone handle questions about Science v/s Christian?

Okay, everyone. I am interested in how you handle people who use Science to dismiss God, etc.  One of the formats I have ran into, is the reference to dinasour bones. Some say these are millions of years old. Some have used those time frames v/s biblical time frames to dispute the Bible. Now we all know that there are valid findings in regard to the bones and dinasours actually roaming the earth. My answer is usually that "we" could all be a bit off on the amount of years for it all. So, I still believe in God and just recognize some animals are not here now. Even in modern day, we see animals that are slowing fading out. I admit I have never researched non-believer debates, because I am firm with God. Having said that, anyone have "better answers" or suggestions when this comes up?

Thanks!

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    by Linda Martin about May 17, 2016

    Laura, Great question! As a young child I questioned this to my dad. Dad, being the preacher that he is and talking to the child I was gave me an answer that I still lean on today when approached by those that challenge the 'scientific aspect'. He put it in very simple terms and it was this..

    God was and always will be. In the beginning of our lives is what we live in now, God instructed those to write down the words of our story from this we know and that was with Adam and Eve. Yes, God created everything even the great dinosours. What we don't know is what all the creations he created before the creation we are currently living in now. For all we know there have been many earths before us but what is important is the one we are living in now.

    It may not be the most educated or adult version of an answer but it was the answer I got and understood at the time and that is how I have always thought of it this way because who are we to question the creations of God because HE was and always will be. :)

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    by Laura Mustard about May 2, 2016

    Thank you, both! I basically had most of these thoughts (from years of learning) about the subject. After reading both answers I feel like I have had the knowledge and feel more confident when this debate comes up. Sometimes we second guess our knowledge. Plus, let's face it, there is so much in the Bible it is easy to "forget" scriptures. Thankfully, this is not often! Meaning I have numerous Christian friends! :)

    I will say, that somewhere along the way, I have missed the reference in Genesis about the earth being destroyed, rebuilt, etc. That is a good thing, though, because it will make me re-read this!

    Thanks again!

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    by Dion Todd about May 2, 2016

    In the Beginning

    I love science, and the Bible. To me they both agree, it is our understanding of both that causes confusion and time usually fixes that. There is so much that we do not understand, and the problems start when we begin to think that we know it all rather than leaving room for unknown variables.

     

    For example, the earth was once presumed to be a flat disc and people thought that you would sail off the edge of it. Also it was thought that the sun ( and everything else ) revolved around the earth. Time has corrected our understanding of both of these.

     

    The confusion about the earth and the beginning of time is that people are arguing over details that they do not fully understand and allowing no room for anything that lies outside of their current understanding. Here are a few things that I believe and why. These things are “As far as I know” and will probably change as I learn more:

     

    * The Bible was written to the children of Adam and everything contained in it is relevant to that. We know little details of heaven, hell, demonic forces, satan, and many other things though they all exist and we see bits and pieces of them in scripture, when they are relevant to us. For example we know there are demons because Jesus dealt with them constantly in His ministry (Luke 8:30).

     

    But other things like the universe, life forms on other planets, what stars are made from, the Bible is largely silent about because it is not relevant to us. Can you imagine how big the Bible would have to be if it contained all knowledge. The Bible does not teach us everything, it merely points us to the One that can. There is no need to search the Bible for the proper tire pressure for your car, look at the little sticker inside the door jam. In other words, don’t be stupid.

     

    * In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and it is probably billions of years old. The Bible simply tells us “In the beginning” and moves on to the next relevant item. There is no reason to try and set a date on the creation of the earth. God did not tell us how old it is. Everything out there is a guesstimate.

     

    * Dinosaurs are real, they came in many shapes and sizes and we have their bones and fossils with us today. They lived on the earth millions of years ago. There is no need to get caught in the details, just know that it looks stupid to deny their existence. Job chapter 41 describes “Leviathan” and it certainly sounds like a dragon with scales like armor. ( I know that we see this as a description of satan but let us not spiritualize everything that we don’t understand yet ).

     

    * God created Adam and Eve probably around 6,000 years ago and they began having children. Demons (disembodied spirits) were already living here for satan met Eve in the garden.The earth became totally corrupt again and was destroyed with a flood. Everyone living on earth today descended from Noah and his family. Next time the earth will be cleansed with fire (2 Peter 3:7).

     

    * Between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 something happened. It is as if the earth had been destroyed, laid waste, wiped out. There are two words used in Genesis 1:2 that should not describe a new creation: “Tohuw and Bohuw”. It is like “Helter Skelter” and means confusion, worthless, laid waste, an undistinguishable ruin. When both words are used together, it is doubly complete. It is like God rebuilt the earth, once again. Notice the wording:

     

    1) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2) Now the earth was formless (Tohuw) and empty (Bohuw). Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God’s Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters” (Genesis 1:1–2 WEB).

     

    Then Isaiah wrote that God did not create the earth Tohuw in the beginning:

     

    “the God who formed the earth and made it, who established it and didn’t create it a waste (Tohuw)” (Isaiah 45:18)

     

    Here is the definition of these two words:

    Strongs #8414: Tohuw, to´-hoo; from an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; figuratively, a worthless thing; adverbially, in vain:—confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

    Strongs #922: Bohuw, bo´-hoo; from an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin:—emptiness, void.

     

    What I am trying to say and nothing more is that there is a lot that we do not understand because God did not tell us, but ultimately science and the word of God will agree. It is our understanding of them both and our personal pride that will be corrected.

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    by Sylvia Todd about May 2, 2016

    Great question, Laura! I'm not saying I have the answers, but my first overall thought is that science and faith don't have to clash if people are willing to listen and consider all of the possibilities. God created the universe, so I don't believe a study of His creation should necessarily cause a problem with anyone's faith - the only clash is what we think we know about the universe, on both sides, and the conclusions we may draw from what we think we know :). I personally only have a few core beliefs, and whether dinosaurs existed (I believe they did :)) is not amongst them. 

     

    Second though, when it comes to faith, I tend to believe that if a person can be talked into something, they can just as easily be talked out of it, so am not much into debates about my faith. 

     

    That said, the Bible only talks in very broad terms about the creation of the universe and this planet. God's timeline, like how a "day" for Him is defined is probably not the same as it is to us. "For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night." (Psalm 90:4). Additionally, I have heard it taught that the Bible is a description of the family of Adam, leading ultimately to Jesus. It isn't there to describe the previous happenings before that, so it doesn't. 

     

    I'll close with a quote from a favorite show of mine ("Firefly"), which was actually created by a non-believer, but I believe he has an understanding of what faith means. It's from a character who is a pastor (shepherd) speaking to a young lady trying to make sense of the Bible: "It's not about making sense. It's about believing in something, and letting that belief be real enough to change your life. It's about faith. You don't fix faith, River. It fixes you."

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