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by Tyler Velau in General Questions about Feb 10 open - report

The Lost

The last time I was on this site, I had concerns about the lost. I still have concerns, but I understood where Pastor Dion was coming from. I just feel differently, after all, would not a good shepherd search until all of his sheep were found and accounted for? And wasn't Jesus about saving people? If he was, shouldn't the church be also?

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    by Dion Todd about Feb 10

    I believe that everyone will be given a chance to accept Jesus, but the choice is ultimately theirs to make. God underwrites a mans decisions and there is a day when the door will be shut just as He sealed the door on the ark of Noah, then it began to rain. When that day comes, whichever side of the door you are on, is where you will stay for eternity. You will not cross from one side to the other, and He will not make an exception for you. God does not force anyone to believe in Him, but all through scripture He tells us to live ready, for He will come unexpectedly. There is a lot of "greasy grace" today where anything goes, and "loving Jesus would never do that to someone", but that is not really what Jesus taught about His return. When Jesus finally returns, it will be too late to make your decision. Today is the day of salvation, don't think you will wait and do it tomorrow. That was the point in my message. Think on these parables and notice that once the "door was shut" it was too late to come in:


    * Luke 13:22–29 (NKJV) — 22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God.


    * Matthew 25:1–14 (NKJV) — 1 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. 11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming. 14 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them.


    * Luke 17:26–30 (NKJV) — 26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.


    * Matthew 7:21–23 (NKJV) — 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

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    • Tyler Velau
      by Tyler Velau
      Feb 10

      2 Peter 3:9 -"The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." That verse is one that comes to my mind regarding this. I...  more

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    by Sylvia Todd about Feb 10

    Hey Tyler :)! Just for background, for people who did not attend the live service last Sunday, the question circled around a statement in the message that there will essentially be a time when it will be too late for salvation. That point of the message was talking about the return of Jesus.

    I'm sure Dion can reply with more detail later, but here's just a quick thought :): I get what you're saying about the shepherd, but the difference between actual sheep and people is that we were given free will. If a person is presented with Jesus, and makes the choice to refuse, God does not force His will on the subject. Even at the cross, only one of the thieves made the right choice :). The entire matter itself, at the Garden, started with a choice.

    I believe what you have in mind is people who have not yet had a chance to actually know Him. There are those in countries where Christianity has little to no part. I even include those in, for instance, in parts of the American church, who may often be presented something that is quite different than actual Jesus. Sure, I agree that the shepherd would find those and before it's over, they would all have a chance to join Him!

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    • Lynn Brown
      by Lynn Brown
      Feb 10

      I agree Sylvia with your comments above. I can see Tyler's concern that not all will be saved. But it does all come down to a choice. We all have the choice to believe and follow Him or reject Him. Either way God knows each and everyone of us and our...  more

    • Sylvia Todd
      by Sylvia Todd
      Feb 10

      Amen, Lynn! Considering the unbelievable sacrifice of Jesus, it is not something He would take lightly.

    • Tyler Velau
      by Tyler Velau
      Feb 10

      Yes, when I refer to the lost I am speaking of those who have not yet had the chance to get to know Jesus. Those who may know/believe/feel that He exists, but aren't sure about "the truth". I think even those that rejected him may need a...  more

    • Sylvia Todd
      by Sylvia Todd
      Feb 11

      Yes, Tyler, there are second chances, even thirds, and more :). It is not infinite, mainly in the sense that we do not live forever. On the agnostics and such, God loves them just as much as they love anyone else, and is pursuing them, too. I don't...  more

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